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	<title>Comments on: Kimmel, O&#8217;Brien, and the truth about Leno-Hate.</title>
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		<title>By: Florence</title>
		<link>http://www.larrygetlen.com/2010/01/15/kimmel-obrien-and-the-truth-about-leno-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Florence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you Conan! We&#039;ll follow you wherever you go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love you Conan! We&#8217;ll follow you wherever you go!</p>
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		<title>By: What “The Wire” can teach us about Conan O’Brien, Jay Leno, and the current late night debacle &#124; Larry Getlen&#39;s Random Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>What “The Wire” can teach us about Conan O’Brien, Jay Leno, and the current late night debacle &#124; Larry Getlen&#39;s Random Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as I pointed out the other day in “Kimmel, O’Brien, and the truth about Leno-Hate,” Conan O’Brien was just as willing to throw Jay Leno overboard &#8211; with no consideration [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as I pointed out the other day in “Kimmel, O’Brien, and the truth about Leno-Hate,” Conan O’Brien was just as willing to throw Jay Leno overboard &#8211; with no consideration [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Next Up for Conan O’Brien &#124; Larry Getlen&#39;s Random Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://www.larrygetlen.com/2010/01/15/kimmel-obrien-and-the-truth-about-leno-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Next Up for Conan O’Brien &#124; Larry Getlen&#39;s Random Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] saga has finally wound down after two insane weeks, a brief impasse until March 1 when the now much-hated Jay Leno returns to The Tonight Show, and he and Dave go at it with a venom beyond any they ever [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] saga has finally wound down after two insane weeks, a brief impasse until March 1 when the now much-hated Jay Leno returns to The Tonight Show, and he and Dave go at it with a venom beyond any they ever [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bettye</title>
		<link>http://www.larrygetlen.com/2010/01/15/kimmel-obrien-and-the-truth-about-leno-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>bettye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Larry for such an insightful, intelligent essay.  As someone who truly enjoys Jay&#039;s humor and has missed The Tonight Show with him at the helm, I appreciate your putting the late night fiasco into perspective.  Eveything you&#039;ve said, I have thought, especially why oh why did Jay ever put himself into such an untenable position back in 2004?  Naivite?  Really misjudging the situation?  Attempting to negotiate without representation? Don&#039;t understand that blunder. I do not like Conan&#039;s humor, but agree that he&#039;s very talented and was shafted by NBC.  Conan will land on his feet and his fans will follow and support him wherever he ends up.  As for Jay, I can only hope that I&#039;m not the only person out here who will welcome him back with open arms and laugh out loud at jokes and bits that others have assailed for almost 2 weeks. I&#039;ll do my part to help his ratings at 11:35 - and hope they don&#039;t tank. Not feeling too positive these days. I have felt all along that NBC is the true villain here and that Jay has been an easy rage magnet in this controversy.  Thanks again for your take on the situation.  It&#039;s nice to know someone else has thoughts similar to mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Larry for such an insightful, intelligent essay.  As someone who truly enjoys Jay&#8217;s humor and has missed The Tonight Show with him at the helm, I appreciate your putting the late night fiasco into perspective.  Eveything you&#8217;ve said, I have thought, especially why oh why did Jay ever put himself into such an untenable position back in 2004?  Naivite?  Really misjudging the situation?  Attempting to negotiate without representation? Don&#8217;t understand that blunder. I do not like Conan&#8217;s humor, but agree that he&#8217;s very talented and was shafted by NBC.  Conan will land on his feet and his fans will follow and support him wherever he ends up.  As for Jay, I can only hope that I&#8217;m not the only person out here who will welcome him back with open arms and laugh out loud at jokes and bits that others have assailed for almost 2 weeks. I&#8217;ll do my part to help his ratings at 11:35 &#8211; and hope they don&#8217;t tank. Not feeling too positive these days. I have felt all along that NBC is the true villain here and that Jay has been an easy rage magnet in this controversy.  Thanks again for your take on the situation.  It&#8217;s nice to know someone else has thoughts similar to mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Does Bob Dylan support Conan O&#8217;Brien? &#124; Larry Getlen&#39;s Random Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://www.larrygetlen.com/2010/01/15/kimmel-obrien-and-the-truth-about-leno-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Bob Dylan support Conan O&#8217;Brien? &#124; Larry Getlen&#39;s Random Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the battle between Conan O&#8217;Brien, Jay Leno, and NBC roars to a close, and the question of who&#8217;s to blame rages throughout the Internet, rock legend Bob Dylan throws in his two cents for Team Conan. Or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the battle between Conan O&#8217;Brien, Jay Leno, and NBC roars to a close, and the question of who&#8217;s to blame rages throughout the Internet, rock legend Bob Dylan throws in his two cents for Team Conan. Or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Beerhider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beerhider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think the 2004 announcements of Jay:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6d1caacad1/jay-s-2004-announcement?rel=player
and Conan:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f214cbd6fc/conan-s-2004-announcement?rel=user&amp;rel_pos=1

Provide additional context that may change your point of view on this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think the 2004 announcements of Jay:<br />
<a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6d1caacad1/jay-s-2004-announcement?rel=player" rel="nofollow">http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6d1caacad1/jay-s-2004-announcement?rel=player</a><br />
and Conan:<br />
<a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f214cbd6fc/conan-s-2004-announcement?rel=user&amp;rel_pos=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f214cbd6fc/conan-s-2004-announcement?rel=user&amp;rel_pos=1</a></p>
<p>Provide additional context that may change your point of view on this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to give it to you on an greatly written essay. Up until now I&#039;ve been a loud backer of team Conan for the exact same reasons you outlined, but it&#039;s true, Leno, like him or not, didn&#039;t really do anything wrong, other than trying to be too nice in stepping aside. 

@Mothra, with your example of the VP job, you&#039;re validating Larry&#039;s point, you the person being screwed out of the job wouldn&#039;t be mad at the other guy taking the job, well you would, but it&#039;s not all his fault, he&#039;d be doing what&#039;s best for him, it&#039;s the bosses who lied to you, and then backed out of promises who should be the target of your wrath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to give it to you on an greatly written essay. Up until now I&#8217;ve been a loud backer of team Conan for the exact same reasons you outlined, but it&#8217;s true, Leno, like him or not, didn&#8217;t really do anything wrong, other than trying to be too nice in stepping aside. </p>
<p>@Mothra, with your example of the VP job, you&#8217;re validating Larry&#8217;s point, you the person being screwed out of the job wouldn&#8217;t be mad at the other guy taking the job, well you would, but it&#8217;s not all his fault, he&#8217;d be doing what&#8217;s best for him, it&#8217;s the bosses who lied to you, and then backed out of promises who should be the target of your wrath.</p>
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		<title>By: ice weasel</title>
		<link>http://www.larrygetlen.com/2010/01/15/kimmel-obrien-and-the-truth-about-leno-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>ice weasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really simple you spent a lot of words only to muddy things up apparently, because you feel Jimmy Kimmel and others are wrong Leno.

Leno could have retired when he agreed to.  He didn&#039;t.

He moved his show to a different time slot and guess what?  It sucked, as the ratings demonstrated.  Fault NBC for letting Leno do it if you want, but it&#039;s not Conan&#039;s fault Leno bombed at ten five nights a week.

And that&#039;s what precipitated this issue.  It&#039;s not Conan&#039;s ratings, it&#039;s Jay&#039;s ratings.

So NBC found a way to make the situation worse and guess what, it meant Jay got back his old show.

You&#039;re so far off base with this mewling spin for Leno it&#039;s amazing.  And yes, it was mewling in assigning blame to people who have none and it was spin trying make Leno the victim here when in fact, once again, Jay is just getting what he wants.

Again.

And now NBC is going to be a world of hurt for facilitating that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really simple you spent a lot of words only to muddy things up apparently, because you feel Jimmy Kimmel and others are wrong Leno.</p>
<p>Leno could have retired when he agreed to.  He didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>He moved his show to a different time slot and guess what?  It sucked, as the ratings demonstrated.  Fault NBC for letting Leno do it if you want, but it&#8217;s not Conan&#8217;s fault Leno bombed at ten five nights a week.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what precipitated this issue.  It&#8217;s not Conan&#8217;s ratings, it&#8217;s Jay&#8217;s ratings.</p>
<p>So NBC found a way to make the situation worse and guess what, it meant Jay got back his old show.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so far off base with this mewling spin for Leno it&#8217;s amazing.  And yes, it was mewling in assigning blame to people who have none and it was spin trying make Leno the victim here when in fact, once again, Jay is just getting what he wants.</p>
<p>Again.</p>
<p>And now NBC is going to be a world of hurt for facilitating that.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Jimmy defending Conan? He should be happy that his competition is in disarray or he must really fear Leno coming back at 11:30.

Anyway, the whole move to 10 was a mess because you had essentially Tonight Show 1 and Tonight Show 2 both in LA competing for guests and viewers. This hurts the ratings for both shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Jimmy defending Conan? He should be happy that his competition is in disarray or he must really fear Leno coming back at 11:30.</p>
<p>Anyway, the whole move to 10 was a mess because you had essentially Tonight Show 1 and Tonight Show 2 both in LA competing for guests and viewers. This hurts the ratings for both shows.</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by patkiernan: Some great insight from @larrygetlen on Leno / Conan. Says all should have seen trouble back in 2004. http://ow.ly/1n5La5...</description>
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